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Sony today disclosed new details of its newest generation of HDV camcorders, including a new form factor — it takes full-size DV cassettes — designed to win the hearts and minds of longtime DV users. "It has the sensitivity our SD customers were asking for," said Tatsuro Kurachi, marketing and business development manager for professional video products. "I would say it's the ultimate SD camcorder — it just happens to have HD imagers, too." Officials also responded directly for the first time to the drum-beating that’s been going on over the claimed higher efficiencies of AVC encoding versus MPEG-2. (In a nutshell: reports of MPEG-2’s death have been greatly exaggerated.)

Sony HVR-S270U

Sony HVR-S270U

The new HVR-S270U (the European version will be the S270E and the Japanese will be the S270J) is a shoulder-mounted HDV camcorder with an interchangeable lens that was showed as a mock-up under glass at IBC in September. It has three 1/3-inch CMOS chips that use Sony’s Clearvid configuration (to increase sensitivity) and Exmor technology, borrowed from the XDCAM EX (to reduce noise). The result, according to Kurachi, is an imager that doesn’t trade signal-to-noise-ration performance for increased sensitivity in low-light situations. The camera is rated for minimum illumination of 1.5 lux.

Even the viewfinder aims to please — at 1920x480, it packs a lot of pixels into a very small space.

The S270U is slated to ship in February for $10,500. That buys you a Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 12x zoom lens (32 to 384mm) and a 1/3-inch bayonet-type lens mount. With an adapter, the camera can also be used with 2/3-inch or ½-inch HD lenses, 12-pin ENG lenses, or even with the line-up of α (alpha) lenses for Sony’s new series of digital SLR cameras.

Like the EX, which is an XDCAM recorder that doesn’t record to XDCAM discs, the new S270U is an HDV recorder that doesn’t have to record to HDV tapes. Beyond capturing and recording images as 60i using 2:3 pulldown, the S270U’s native progressive recording mode lets it output 24p and 30p (25p on the European version) via iLink.

Other options to get your footage out of the camera include MiniDV and also standard-sized DV cassettes, which will hold 4.5 hours of HDV footage. A compact flash memory recording unit attaches to the side of the camera, and holds 72 minutes of HDV, DVCAM or DV footage on a 16 GB card. The camera will record simultaneously on tape and flash media; it can record HD to tape and SD to flash; or it can use a “relay mode” to seamlessly switch recording to the solid-state memory when a tape runs out.

Why is it a shoulder-mount camera? There’s still the obvious perception issue: a guy with a big camera on his shoulder looks more like a serious shooter to some people than the guy running around with the Handycam. But it also has to be a big piece of gear to support the oversized DV tapes. “In order to house that standard-sized cassette, this form factor was inevitable,” said Kurachi.

Have it Handheld

Sony HVR-Z7U

Sony HVR-Z7U

But if you don’t like to hoist a camera up on your shoulder, Sony has another deal for you to consider. The $6850 HVR-Z7U is the S270’s little brother — a handheld version of the same camera (also due next February). There are some differences: it supports only MiniDV tape; it has two XLR audio inputs rather than four; it has HDMI output instead of HD SDI; and it uses an infoLITHIUM series battery (just like the Z1U, the V1U, and the PD170). But the sensors are the same.

Sony HVR-M35U

Sony HVR-M35U

Both cameras are complemented by the new $5540 HVR-M35U deck, which plays full-size DV and MiniDV tapes. It features native progressive recording and plays back all HDV formats, including 720p (which is output via HDMI, not iLink).

Codec Controversy

On the subject of codecs, Sony has argued before that MPEG-2 is a better choice for video acquisition than the AVC-Intra format that Panasonic has introduced to dramatically expand the usability of flash media — which is still capacity-challenged compared to tape and optical disc — by doubling the effective recording time at equivalent bitrates. Previously, Sony had pointed to MPEG-2’s history in the market and the existing infrastructure supporting it as advantages over AVC, but VP Bob Ott this week started pushing back against aggressive claims made for AVC’s efficiency. “Although AVC is a part of the MPEG family, in order to have a successful product using AVC with pictures equal or close to MPEG-2 at 25 Mbps, they have to go long-GOP or use an extremely high data rate. And if they go long-GOP they face the same issues” as MPEG-2, Ott said.

Panasonic’s professional products use AVC-Intra, an intraframe codec designed to avoid some of the problems associated with interframe, or “long-GOP” compression. However, the intraframe variety of codec is significantly less efficient than the interframe version. Ott claims that AVC-Intra running at 50 Mbps is “not even close” to the quality of long-GOP MPEG-2. Sony’s Juan Martinez, senior manager of technology for Sony Electronics showed slides that appeared to demonstrate a dramatic difference in quality between MPEG-2 and AVC-Intra over five generations. Of course, Panasonic’s demos cut the other way, showing high-quality AVC-Intra footage that dusted the MPEG-2-encoded competition.

Sony responds, in turn, by noting that most Blu-ray Discs are being encoded using MPEG-2 long-GOP compression even though AVC is an option, as is Microsoft’s VC1 format. “MPEG-2 is a mainstay” in the compression-and-authoring business, where quality is paramount, Martinez said. And Ott acknowledged that raw picture quality is ultimately a question best answered in a test lab.

The other argument in MPEG-2’s favor is about the sheer complexity of AVC-encoded material. Ott estimated that editing AVC-Intra footage is seven to eight times more processor-intensive than editing MPEG-2. “From a workflow standpoint, it ain’t laptop-ready,” he said. “People are developing NLEs to support AVC-Intra — but we feel that picture quality, through multiple concatenations, is going to be a major issue.”



Comments (12) for "More on Sony's New DV-Compatible HDV Camcorder and Deck"
1.
That's a funny comment about the reason for on-shoulder camcorders- it's just perception. I think it has to do a lot more with functionality and how well it works for the user who has to operate the camera for hours at a time. Handheld is just plan hard.

I've got additional photos and information from the Japanese and European press releases at my blog: http://ieba.wordpress.com
Posted by IEBA.wordpress.com on Thursday, November 15, 2007 @ 10:59 AM
2.
Hoo boy. It certainly seems that there are a lot of numbers and figures and facts and myths being thrown around. I think the question every should ask themselves is \"what works best for me?\"

Is the workflow I use working for me? Is it time to upgrade? Or should I start over? Do I have the capital ($$$$$) to do so?

Unfortunatley, I\'m stuck in SD land for the time being, and waiting for the dust to settle!
Posted by Milk&Chase on Monday, November 19, 2007 @ 04:53 PM
3.
The Sony XDCam EX1, with full 1920 x 1080 chip, 35 Mbs data rate, Fujinon lens, and CineAlta brand name, seems like a much better purchase for $8,000.
Posted by David Slater on Monday, November 19, 2007 @ 05:09 PM
4.
EX also has 1/2" chips, which means more filmic control of depth of field and better light gathering. However, it only records to Xpress cards, has no interchangeable lens options, and does not rest on the shoulder.

It will be interesting to see which camcorder has the best low-light performance.
Posted by john on Monday, November 19, 2007 @ 09:42 PM
5.
Thanks this is the type and range of euipment for africa,we are looking forward for a test drive. for acquistionand events videography
Posted by WESLEY on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 @ 05:04 AM
6.
With its interchangeable lens and pro viewfinder it seems to be targeted at the JVC250. I like that it takes full size DV tapes. At its price point it should have SDI out like the JVC. Also, the EX1 is cheaper and has 1/2" chips. I'm still interested though.
Posted by Derek on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 @ 07:50 AM
7.
The HVR-S270U have timecode in and out and shelve able cassette plus SD card recorder those two are big pluses. As a professional video producer who use to using high end digital camera and at the moment cannot afford other expensive crossover from SD to HD this could be a inexpensive temporary solution.
Posted by Edward Downie on Saturday, January 19, 2008 @ 01:22 PM
8.
It's a quandry. There's pros and cons for the EX1 as well as the Z7 and Z270. Can the S270U record SD on those bigger DVCam tapes as well? That might be just the retro feature to go there, along with SDI out. Any one try the DigiPrime lenses yet?
Posted by Guy on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 @ 04:42 PM
9.
The EX1 is nowhere near as versatile as the S270 or Z7 are spec'd to be. It is strictly HD, and no tape option. It's probably a better choice for indie film use; but not a good pick for events and everyday pay-the-bills shooting for a variety of clients and end-user playback capabilities.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 @ 11:43 PM
10.
I got this camera last 2 weekes i prode im first one i have this camera in canada wen i swa online i did love the look it relly look very close to dsr250 the one i use befor so on the pic looks smiller but relly is biger and is amazing camera ( camera do evrything any cameraman need ) www.videobabylon.ca
Posted by Rafi Michael - Toron on Saturday, March 15, 2008 @ 11:53 PM
11.
hi i just want more info of sony cameras and the opptions so i can get one or more.
Posted by Richard on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 @ 07:33 AM
12.
Seems like a great camera for my needs. I'll have to try it out by renting it first and see how it fares against the Panasonic HPX500 and the JVC HD250
Posted by Frederic Segard on Monday, April 7, 2008 @ 11:08 PM

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